Undershirts that Fit

I know I’m not the only guy whose t-shirts cause fits. Every time I get up from my desk or out of the car, I feel the need to complete the untuck/re-tuck operation because my boxy t-shirt is bulging. But not anymore. I’m switching to Tommy John. Founded by Tom Patterson, Tommy John makes smooth, trimming t-shirts using a stretchy fabric that conforms to your torso without being restrictive. That’s critical: I want a streamlined profile, but I don’t want a too-tight tee. Tommy John’s Second Skin shirts are longer than most, so they stay tucked in. The material is also designed to breathe and wick away moisture so you stay cooler and dryer. Many a great outfit has been ruined by a bulky undershirt. Tom was sick of messing with his old t-shirts, so he left a career in medical sales to focus on designing men's undergarments. Now he’s turned the undershirt world inside out. Consider me converted.

Tommy John

Second Skin Undershirt Collection

Undershirts that Fit

I know I’m not the only guy whose t-shirts cause fits. Every time I get up from my desk or out of the car, I feel the need to complete the untuck/re-tuck operation because my boxy t-shirt is bulging. But not anymore. I’m switching to Tommy John. Founded by Tom Patterson, Tommy John makes smooth, trimming t-shirts using a stretchy fabric that conforms to your torso without being restrictive. That’s critical: I want a streamlined profile, but I don’t want a too-tight tee. Tommy John’s Second Skin shirts are longer than most, so they stay tucked in. The material is also designed to breathe and wick away moisture so you stay cooler and dryer. Many a great outfit has been ruined by a bulky undershirt. Tom was sick of messing with his old t-shirts, so he left a career in medical sales to focus on designing men's undergarments. Now he’s turned the undershirt world inside out. Consider me converted.

Grommet Launch Conversation

Grommet Launch Conversation

  • Tom
    Tom

    Hi Grommeteers, I am Tom Patterson and my frustration with undershirts is what has brought me here today. The majority of men are wearing a baggy T- shirt as an undershirt. They bunch around the waist, constantly come untucked, shrink after a few washes, and yellow very quickly. I didn't have any experience in design or manufacturing but I knew there had to be a better solution so I decided to reinvent the basic men’s undershirt and create what I felt was the Ultimate Undershirt. I am pleased to be here today sharing Tommy John undershirts for men from our Second Skin Collection. They are made out of a cool and luxurious stretch fabric, designed to move with your body while staying tucked in, eliminate EFG (excess fabric gut), and give you a tailored and streamlined appearance when worn under outershirts. I am here to answer any questions you have.

  • Gina
    Gina
    3/4/2011 1:16 PM

    Great idea! My husband would love this. Is the price $36 for one t-shirt or is it a pack of 2 or 3?

  • Katherine
    Katherine – Grommet Team
    3/4/2011 1:32 PM

    @Gina: That is the per price shirt.

  • John
    John
    3/8/2011 1:17 PM

    @Katherine Klinger: One shirt for $36? For an undershirt? Got to be kidding.

  • Berry
    Berry
    3/4/2011 1:37 PM

    @Gina: I was wondering the same thing. $36 for one undershirt! oh, well.

  • Tom
    Tom – Special Guest
    3/4/2011 2:02 PM

    @Gina: yes. they are per shirt. you will find that these will last 2-3 times longer than your traditional 2 and 3packs, which will shrink, yellow quicker, and stretch out. Tommy John's will not shrink and always maintain their shape due to the stretch fabric designed to stretch and recover when worn. Hope that helps

  • Greg
    Greg
    3/4/2011 2:50 PM

    @Tom Patterson: What about snagging? My hands & fingers get very dry in the winter ( yes, even with constant moisturizing ). So how easily are they snagged? I snag and pull threads on nearly every tie and sweater I put on!

  • Tom
    Tom – Special Guest
    3/4/2011 3:41 PM

    @Greg: Snagging is never an issue as 99% of the time our undershirts are worn under dress shirts and they don’t ever snag on other clothing. Actually outerclothing slides over very nicely without gathering or getting snagged.

  • Gina
    Gina
    3/12/2011 2:09 AM

    @Tom Patterson: Thanks for the info. I think I'll order one for my husband and see how he likes it. If he likes it then it's worth the money.

  • Dina
    Dina
    3/4/2011 4:26 PM

    @Gina: Some deal, eh, Grommet? More like a steal, as in you stealing from your customers. Get 'em for $18 elsewhere. And probably cheaper too. It's only underwear, for goodness sakes.

    *edited by admin to comply with our no outside advertising policy.

  • Kardinal
    Kardinal
    3/4/2011 1:32 PM

    Hey Tommy John,

    Just wanted to compliment you on your product. Your shirts are amazing in both fit & comfort. Keep up the good work!

    Best,

    John Jacobi

    Managing Partner @ Kardinal

  • larry a. ryan
    larry a. ryan
    3/4/2011 1:41 PM

    I like very much the idea of the shirt. But, I could never afford it....larry

  • Carol
    Carol
    3/4/2011 1:51 PM

    My husband loves these t-shirts. I was shocked at the price but when I saw it on him I was pleased at the way they looked and they provided a cleaner fit under an outer shirt. I liked them so much... I told the guys in my squad about them and they think they are fantastic. It is amazing what a great fitting t-shirt can do to a uniform. From someone in the other half of the population THANK YOU!

  • Carleton
    Carleton
    3/4/2011 1:53 PM

    Even acknowledging the inventiveness of this undershirt, the price point is far too expensive for the vast majority of men. We don't have just one undershirt in our undergarment wardrobe and buying several at $36 per undershirt...not going to happen, especially during these dramtically scaled back, financial times.

  • Briana
    Briana
    3/4/2011 4:49 PM

    @Carleton: Frankly, $36 for an undergarment isn't that terrible if it's quality - it's just not what men are accustomed to paying for. Women pay way more than $36 for decent undergarments all the time, because we know the effect that good undergarments can have on fit. I'd bet that a few $36 undershirts would make a closet full of inexpensive sweaters and dress shirts look MUCH nicer.

  • David
    David
    3/4/2011 2:07 PM

    I think it's funny when women try to sell me a men's t-shirt. The LAST thing I want to wear is a tight undershirt. This is the stupidest thing I've seen; hence, they are being sold on Grommet...

  • Katherine
    Katherine – Grommet Team
    3/4/2011 2:21 PM

    @David: Ouch, now that was truly not nice. But, we're glad you keep stopping by to find out if today's discovery is something that will appeal to you. Let us know if we ever hit the mark with you. Or, better yet, if you know of a product that would make a great Grommet, we would love to hear about it. Submit it via our Citizen's Gallery above.

  • Doug
    Doug
    3/4/2011 2:07 PM

    Nice concept. Price point should be about 4 or 5 shirts for $36, not $36 a piece, however.

  • J.M.
    J.M.
    3/4/2011 2:47 PM

    $36 per shirt sounds like a lot, BUT... I buy $60 bras at Victoria's Secret because they fit better than the $12 ones I can buy at Target. So if this product works as well as it is marketed, it could be a good value.

    Like most wives, I am the one who purchases all the tshirts/underwear (and throws out the stained ones.) I'm not sure he'd give up the cotton ones altogether, but I'd like to buy one to see how he likes it. He likes trying new styles so we'll let you know how it goes.

    Unlike your previous writer, I think Grommet has really interesting products and I enjoy the daily missives.

  • Katherine
    Katherine – Grommet Team
    3/4/2011 2:58 PM

    @J.M.: Please do let us know how he likes his new shirt. Thank you for the kind words as well, we're glad you stopped by.

  • Greymase
    Greymase
    3/4/2011 2:56 PM

    Listen, Merona has these available through Target for the price point indicated...they are a little shorter, but at THIS price point, you could get a size too big and have them tailored down to size! Also, they need to do something about the privates of the models if they want to sell these to men. I can see the dude's schwantz WAY too clearly in the 'after' photo, which for most men will put this into a category of clothing they do not associate with...or rather, feel awkward about looking at. That's never the best way to approach sales (silly and juvenile as the concern may be)! Make these as much as $18 a whack and lose the see through to the mini man's guru, and you will sell more than twice as many.

  • joanne
    joanne – Grommet Team
    3/4/2011 3:49 PM

    @Greymase: Thank you for your comment, we appreciate all points of view. Every product can't be for every person, but we hope that you continue to check in, see what's here and let us know what you think.

  • Jeanne
    Jeanne – Grommet Team
    3/4/2011 3:29 PM

    I think this is really a case of quality over quantity. I've spent most of my nearly 20 years of married life buying packages of those standard cotton t-shirts ... and then throwing them away as they get all stretched out and frayed. Still, my husband's a practical guy, so I was not prepared for how much he would like the Tommy John shirts. It really is amazing what a difference the fabric makes in the feel and fit. Just seems like you guys deserve an upgrade here, and the value/quality is very much worth it.

  • Jesse
    Jesse – Grommet Team
    3/4/2011 3:34 PM

    I was lucky enough to be a tester for the TommyJohn's, and I'll be blunt: they feel better than any other t-shirt I've worn. We've featured a lot of women's wear lately that costs twice as much and wearing these undershirts gave me a new appreciation for what a difference something like this can make. It's like a favorite dress shirt or pair of pants, the ones you reach for when you want to feel your best. It may be a luxury at this price, but it's worth it.

  • Sue
    Sue
    3/4/2011 3:52 PM

    After reading Greymase's comment ... I admit I went back for another look !! Thanks for keeping it interesting, Daily Grommet!!

  • Dina
    Dina
    3/4/2011 3:55 PM

    When I realized the price of $36 is per shirt, I laughed out loud. Not a funny-hah-hah laugh, but a you-guys-are-crazy-hah-hah. I have ten year old regular cotton t-shirts that are just fine and they did not come close to this outrageous price. This is underwear, for pity sakes, and it's not even going to be comfortable, it's got synthetic threads in it, and you know how that stuff pearls up over time. You cannot create an analogy between an expensive brassiere and something simple like a t-shirt. I thought Grommets were supposed to be good deals for the customer; this is a great deal for Grommet and Tommy John, they're making out like bandits from the rubes who buy these things. It's also rather insulting to read "staff comments" defending this product, we all know it's way over priced. I would be suspicious of any comment here from a "customer" (wink wink, yeah, sure, it's not a plant, we believe you, she said sarcastically). When do you come out with the matching men's hankies for $25 a pop? Grommet has pulled some boners in the past but this one surely takes the cake—the very expensive, over-priced plain un-frosted cake where the baker makes 300% profit.

  • Katherine
    Katherine – Grommet Team
    3/4/2011 5:14 PM

    @Dina: You guys are tough on us today! We honestly want you to be tough on us and thoughtful about all of the purchases you make. We are a curated online marketplace. That means that we've tested and approved all the products that we present to you. We've gotten to know the story and people behind a product. We believe in these products and it shouldn't be a surprise that our testers have good things to say about the products we present. We wouldn't have shared them with you if our testers didn't give us the thumbs up to begin with. We are not a daily deal site. We believe that the products we present are worth their selling price. When a company sells through a daily deal site they are selling at a loss to gain awareness and acquire customers or liquidating excess inventory of their product. We have a different philosophy.

    We never plant customer reviews. We don't even take down critical comments, unless they are overly disrespectful in tone. We do take down advertising.

  • Dina
    Dina
    3/4/2011 4:24 PM

    * post edited to comply with our no outside advertising policy.

  • Mark
    Mark
    3/4/2011 5:20 PM

    I'm the Mark that told Jeanne "give me ten and I'll be all set." So in the interest of full disclosure, I guess this would be a staff comment once removed. To be honest, when I said give me ten, I had no idea how much they cost. But when I do buy t-shirts, that's how many I usually buy, because they don't last. They shrink to the point where they always un-tuck, and even those that have the "no-bacon" collar, actually get that bacon collar that looks lousy. I've had my first Tommy John t-shirt for awhile, and it is always the first I grab when clean, so I just bought more (not 10 - but I'll see how 5 works for now - expensive maybe - but worth it.) I didn't part with my hard earned $ because my wife works at Daily Grommet - I did it because they really are incredibly comfortable, stay that way all day, and my original looks the same today as the day I got it. I don't often comment on grommets, but couldn't help but throw my 2 cents in given that I've actually worn them. Just one "rube's" opinion Dina.

  • Desmond
    Desmond
    3/4/2011 7:09 PM

    Based on the incredibly positive comments by men who have worn this shirt, I have ordered one. I've got to try it myself to see why these guys love them. Even if I only have one, I'll use it for those important "dress up" times, whether important work-related meetings, or a special night out. And if they truly are amazing, I'll come back and buy some more. Or I'll put them on my "Fathers Day wish list."

  • Tom
    Tom – Special Guest
    3/4/2011 7:16 PM

    I wanted to thank Daily Grommet for featuring our products today and its community for all the feedback. As a young entrepreneur, it is very exciting to have your product to be featured in the format that they use.

    Regarding Dina's comment, there was timing out of our control and our Tan (Crew and VNeck) undershirts were featured on another site at a lower price. We regret that our Daily Grommet customers were not offered this same deal. To correct the situation, if you already purchased a tan shirt, we’ll be sending two and if you purchase a Tan (Crew or VNeck)we’ll ship a second one at no additional cost.

    At Tommy John we believe that men’s undergarments are ready for innovation. Just like most men have traded their walkman for an ipod, men’s underwear is innovating in similar ways from a fit, fabric, and functionality perspective. An undershirt doesn’t have to be ‘just be an undershirt’. Recent innovation in textiles can deliver better fit, comfort and performance, along with a put together and streamlined result. We have found that men love the technology and functionality of Tommy John, but often don’t realize the total value at first. They realize the value after they wear it, wash it, and see how it performs vs. there 2 packs and 3 packs.

    As a visitor to Daily Grommet you may not have the same appreciation as I do for what they are doing. As you can see by the discussion, it is very tough to launch a product when your competitors manufacture a basic staple by the billions. Daily Grommet saw that we 'little guys' needed a way to have our stories told and our products featured so that we had a fighting chance of making it. Their support of innovation and cultivating a like-minded community is wonderful and I want to thank them again for the opportunity to be featured today!

  • Joe
    Joe
    3/5/2011 4:32 PM

    Tom,

    I've struggled with undershirts just as you describe. I have bought regular cotton shirts a size too small so they would fit snug without bunching, but then they are too short, come untucked, and bind up at the arm holes. I have paid this much and more for high end undershirts, and even they yellow and the collar starts to sag a lot sooner than I expect. So I am ok with paying this kind of money for a good, comfortable, snug fitting shirt that will last. Please don't be put off by the negative comments; there are folks out there that will pay for comfort, quality, and durability!

    My question- I am a size 44 jacket, 16.5" neck and 36" waist. Should I buy L or XL? I want it to be snug but not tight. .

    Thanks!

  • Tom
    Tom – Special Guest
    3/5/2011 8:36 PM

    Joe- Thanks for the feedback. Tommy John was created to solve the exact problem you have struggled with. You will be a Large in Tommy John. It will be snug, but there is the perfect amount of stretch in our shirts so you will never feel tight or restricted when wearing them. Hope that helps.

    Best

    Tom

  • Joseph
    Joseph
    3/7/2011 12:23 PM

    @Tom Patterson: Thanks Tom! Just ordered 2 to try- one white, one black crew neck in size L. Will let you know what I think.

  • David
    David
    3/6/2011 12:35 PM

    I'm excited to try one (or two) of these undershirts. Maybe I'm a bit OCD, but I feel like I constantly need to tuck in my undershirt every time I stand up. It's super annoying. I'm wiling to spend the money because 1) it helps a small business, 2) I like to try new things and 3) if it's as awesome as I hope, then increased sales might lead to more competitive pricing in the future.

    To reviewers: reviews are much more helpful, and credible, if they are based on a product experience. I don't mind reading constructive opinions, but the sweeping judgments in some of these reviews discredit the reviewer more than the product or services provided by Daily Grommet. If one product evokes such strong and negative emotions, don't look at it our buy it! If you think there is a negative trend of Daily Grommet services, then send them a note. Otherwise, please help make Grommet's discussion boards one of the few places with balanced reviews, not a forum for unbridled rants.

  • Jules
    Jules – Grommet Team
    3/7/2011 10:38 AM

    @David: Thanks for the constructive discourse. You touch on the fact that Tom Patterson has innovated in a product segment in which just few big companies tightly control production and pricing. This is not a choice for the faint-hearted inventor and entrepreneur! By supporting Tommy John we can move away from buying "disposable" clothing, and also really have a better product.

  • Suzy
    Suzy
    3/7/2011 8:25 AM

    Where are Tommy John shirts manufactured?

  • Tom Patterson
    Tom Patterson
    3/7/2011 9:45 AM

    Everything is made in China and designed in the U.S.

  • Theresa
    Theresa
    3/7/2011 4:49 PM

    You know, Thomas Pink, the $150+ dress shirt maker, set up shop in Rockefeller Center and gave away hundreds of shirts just to prove that 'you get what pay for'... I'm just saying.. wink, wink.

  • Katherine
    Katherine – Grommet Team
    3/7/2011 7:39 PM

    @Theresa: Love it!

  • Nick
    Nick
    3/9/2011 1:32 PM

    When I saw this Grommet I did the same double take on the price. Quite frankly, for $36 a shirt they better do a whole lot more than just stay in place. But then I thought, if I'm the kind of person that buys $500 shirts, $1,000 slacks, and $800 shoes, then $36 for an undershirt is about right.

    But I'm not the kind of person that spends that much on clothes. I guess the average Grommet customer is, though? I don't begrudge Tom for the price of his shirts. He should sell them at a price point he is comfortable with.

    And I understand that high quality comes at a high price, which is why there is not a Rolls Royce parked in my drive. Sorry to say, but I have found over the past few weeks that the price of "uniqueness" (Grommet products) has been nearly consistently out of my price range. Today's (3/9/11) umbrella is another good example.

    So this is more of a commentary on Grommet products (or current direction) than it is Tom's shirts. I'm sure it's a fine shirt.

  • Katherine
    Katherine – Grommet Team
    3/9/2011 2:51 PM

    @Nick: Thanks for stopping by and taking the time to express your thoughts. Our best ideas for Grommets come from you. We would love it if you would help us find other truly great products from companies whose mission, practices or products are exemplary and you want to support. If the products are at lower pricepoints that's great too. Please submit your ideas by clicking the 'Suggest a Grommet' button above. We are on a mission to support companies worthy of support.

  • DJP
    DJP
    3/19/2011 9:26 PM

    OK, so my $36 t-shirt arrived and I wore it (under a dress shirt, of course) to a fancy cocktail party tonight. And I felt like a million dollars! This shirt is amazing! I'm going online right now and buying a second one. If I wore dress shirts more than once or twice a week, I'd buy even more. Well worth what I'd otherwise consider to be a crazy price. Thanks, Grommet.

  • Katherine
    Katherine – Grommet Team
    3/20/2011 12:53 AM

    @DJP: Thanks for stopping back to share your experience. We're glad it made you feel like a million bucks!

  • Joyce Keenan
    Joyce Keenan
    3/26/2011 7:40 PM

    I saw your spot on Fox Boston this week. I happen to be home sick and watched it. I am interested in the Tommy John tee for my husband, but like many of the others commenting the price seems steep especially if I don't know if it's going to fit or he will like it. He would take an XXL at the minimum, but I don't want to spend the money and it still be too small. He has the same issue as all men. Not long enough and too wide in the waist. I don't mind spending the money on something he likes and that fits correctly, but you can't go to the store and try on a t-shirt. He has a job that he needs to look professional, and he spends the money on quality clothes. So you see my problem. If he could try it on and like it then I would be willing to pay the price. It's a great idea and it seems that people who have tried it love it, but it's my husband that has to love it.

  • Katherine
    Katherine – Grommet Team
    3/28/2011 1:12 AM

    @Joyce Keenan: It is definitely a dilemma. If you decide to take a chance on it and it doesn't fit you can send it back for a refund. I hope it works for him, it sounds like he deserves an undershirt upgrade.

  • David
    David
    3/27/2011 12:02 PM

    I received the undershirts and determined that they are as good as advertised. I didn't even realize I had a t-shirt on. My dress shirts actually didn't wrinkle as much in the back as they do with regular cotton t-shirts when they bunch up. If you can afford them, they're worth every dime. Great product, Tom!

  • Katherine
    Katherine – Grommet Team
    3/28/2011 1:08 AM

    @David: Wonderful to hear that these worked well for you. Thanks for stopping back to share.

  • Joe
    Joe
    4/23/2011 8:00 AM

    Just a follow-up: I ordered two of these undershirts to try them about 2 months ago. So, I'm not one to rail on about clothes, but I absolutely love them. They really do feel great- they are form fitting but not restrictive at all. Just ordered 6 more- 3 white and 3 black. When they arrive, I am taking all of the cotton undershirts in my drawer and turning them into cleaning rags. I almost can't bear to put one on under a dress shirt or sweater any more. And so far, after many washings (because I want to wear them every day!) they look as great as they day they arrived.

    Yes, they are expensive- but in my eyes, you are paying a premium price for an extraordinary product. Well worth it. Thanks to Tommy John and Daily Grommet for introducing me to this shirt.

  • Katherine
    Katherine – Grommet Team
    4/23/2011 8:28 AM

    @Joe: Thank you for taking the time to stop back and let everyone know. We are really pleased that these have become your go-to undershirt.

The launch day conversation has ended. Please direct further questions about this Grommet to our Community Experience Team.

 

Tommy John

Second Skin Undershirt Collection

Undershirts that Fit

I know I’m not the only guy whose t-shirts cause fits. Every time I get up from my desk or out of the car, I feel the need to complete the untuck/re-tuck operation because my boxy t-shirt is bulging. But not anymore. I’m switching to Tommy John.

Founded by Tom Patterson, Tommy John makes smooth, trimming t-shirts using a stretchy fabric that conforms to your torso without being restrictive. That’s critical: I want a streamlined profile, but I don’t want a too-tight tee. Tommy John’s Second Skin shirts are longer
than most, so they stay tucked in. The material is also designed to breathe and wick away moisture so you stay cooler and dryer.

Many a great outfit has been ruined by a bulky undershirt. Tom was sick of messing with his old t-shirts, so he left a career in medical sales to focus on designing men's undergarments. Now he’s turned the undershirt world inside out. Consider me converted.
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Grommet Launch Conversation

  • Tom
    Tom

    Hi Grommeteers, I am Tom Patterson and my frustration with undershirts is what has brought me here today. The majority of men are wearing a baggy T- shirt as an undershirt. They bunch around the waist, constantly come untucked, shrink after a few washes, and yellow very quickly. I didn't have any experience in design or manufacturing but I knew there had to be a better solution so I decided to reinvent the basic men’s undershirt and create what I felt was the Ultimate Undershirt. I am pleased to be here today sharing Tommy John undershirts for men from our Second Skin Collection. They are made out of a cool and luxurious stretch fabric, designed to move with your body while staying tucked in, eliminate EFG (excess fabric gut), and give you a tailored and streamlined appearance when worn under outershirts. I am here to answer any questions you have.

  • Gina
    Gina
    3/4/2011 1:16 PM

    Great idea! My husband would love this. Is the price $36 for one t-shirt or is it a pack of 2 or 3?

  • Katherine
    Katherine – Grommet Team
    3/4/2011 1:32 PM

    @Gina: That is the per price shirt.

  • John
    John
    3/8/2011 1:17 PM

    @Katherine Klinger: One shirt for $36? For an undershirt? Got to be kidding.

  • Berry
    Berry
    3/4/2011 1:37 PM

    @Gina: I was wondering the same thing. $36 for one undershirt! oh, well.

  • Tom
    Tom – Special Guest
    3/4/2011 2:02 PM

    @Gina: yes. they are per shirt. you will find that these will last 2-3 times longer than your traditional 2 and 3packs, which will shrink, yellow quicker, and stretch out. Tommy John's will not shrink and always maintain their shape due to the stretch fabric designed to stretch and recover when worn. Hope that helps

  • Greg
    Greg
    3/4/2011 2:50 PM

    @Tom Patterson: What about snagging? My hands & fingers get very dry in the winter ( yes, even with constant moisturizing ). So how easily are they snagged? I snag and pull threads on nearly every tie and sweater I put on!

  • Tom
    Tom – Special Guest
    3/4/2011 3:41 PM

    @Greg: Snagging is never an issue as 99% of the time our undershirts are worn under dress shirts and they don’t ever snag on other clothing. Actually outerclothing slides over very nicely without gathering or getting snagged.

  • Gina
    Gina
    3/12/2011 2:09 AM

    @Tom Patterson: Thanks for the info. I think I'll order one for my husband and see how he likes it. If he likes it then it's worth the money.

  • Dina
    Dina
    3/4/2011 4:26 PM

    @Gina: Some deal, eh, Grommet? More like a steal, as in you stealing from your customers. Get 'em for $18 elsewhere. And probably cheaper too. It's only underwear, for goodness sakes.

    *edited by admin to comply with our no outside advertising policy.

  • Kardinal
    Kardinal
    3/4/2011 1:32 PM

    Hey Tommy John,

    Just wanted to compliment you on your product. Your shirts are amazing in both fit & comfort. Keep up the good work!

    Best,

    John Jacobi

    Managing Partner @ Kardinal

  • larry a. ryan
    larry a. ryan
    3/4/2011 1:41 PM

    I like very much the idea of the shirt. But, I could never afford it....larry

  • Carol
    Carol
    3/4/2011 1:51 PM

    My husband loves these t-shirts. I was shocked at the price but when I saw it on him I was pleased at the way they looked and they provided a cleaner fit under an outer shirt. I liked them so much... I told the guys in my squad about them and they think they are fantastic. It is amazing what a great fitting t-shirt can do to a uniform. From someone in the other half of the population THANK YOU!

  • Carleton
    Carleton
    3/4/2011 1:53 PM

    Even acknowledging the inventiveness of this undershirt, the price point is far too expensive for the vast majority of men. We don't have just one undershirt in our undergarment wardrobe and buying several at $36 per undershirt...not going to happen, especially during these dramtically scaled back, financial times.

  • Briana
    Briana
    3/4/2011 4:49 PM

    @Carleton: Frankly, $36 for an undergarment isn't that terrible if it's quality - it's just not what men are accustomed to paying for. Women pay way more than $36 for decent undergarments all the time, because we know the effect that good undergarments can have on fit. I'd bet that a few $36 undershirts would make a closet full of inexpensive sweaters and dress shirts look MUCH nicer.

  • David
    David
    3/4/2011 2:07 PM

    I think it's funny when women try to sell me a men's t-shirt. The LAST thing I want to wear is a tight undershirt. This is the stupidest thing I've seen; hence, they are being sold on Grommet...

  • Katherine
    Katherine – Grommet Team
    3/4/2011 2:21 PM

    @David: Ouch, now that was truly not nice. But, we're glad you keep stopping by to find out if today's discovery is something that will appeal to you. Let us know if we ever hit the mark with you. Or, better yet, if you know of a product that would make a great Grommet, we would love to hear about it. Submit it via our Citizen's Gallery above.

  • Doug
    Doug
    3/4/2011 2:07 PM

    Nice concept. Price point should be about 4 or 5 shirts for $36, not $36 a piece, however.

  • J.M.
    J.M.
    3/4/2011 2:47 PM

    $36 per shirt sounds like a lot, BUT... I buy $60 bras at Victoria's Secret because they fit better than the $12 ones I can buy at Target. So if this product works as well as it is marketed, it could be a good value.

    Like most wives, I am the one who purchases all the tshirts/underwear (and throws out the stained ones.) I'm not sure he'd give up the cotton ones altogether, but I'd like to buy one to see how he likes it. He likes trying new styles so we'll let you know how it goes.

    Unlike your previous writer, I think Grommet has really interesting products and I enjoy the daily missives.

  • Katherine
    Katherine – Grommet Team
    3/4/2011 2:58 PM

    @J.M.: Please do let us know how he likes his new shirt. Thank you for the kind words as well, we're glad you stopped by.

  • Greymase
    Greymase
    3/4/2011 2:56 PM

    Listen, Merona has these available through Target for the price point indicated...they are a little shorter, but at THIS price point, you could get a size too big and have them tailored down to size! Also, they need to do something about the privates of the models if they want to sell these to men. I can see the dude's schwantz WAY too clearly in the 'after' photo, which for most men will put this into a category of clothing they do not associate with...or rather, feel awkward about looking at. That's never the best way to approach sales (silly and juvenile as the concern may be)! Make these as much as $18 a whack and lose the see through to the mini man's guru, and you will sell more than twice as many.

  • joanne
    joanne – Grommet Team
    3/4/2011 3:49 PM

    @Greymase: Thank you for your comment, we appreciate all points of view. Every product can't be for every person, but we hope that you continue to check in, see what's here and let us know what you think.

  • Jeanne
    Jeanne – Grommet Team
    3/4/2011 3:29 PM

    I think this is really a case of quality over quantity. I've spent most of my nearly 20 years of married life buying packages of those standard cotton t-shirts ... and then throwing them away as they get all stretched out and frayed. Still, my husband's a practical guy, so I was not prepared for how much he would like the Tommy John shirts. It really is amazing what a difference the fabric makes in the feel and fit. Just seems like you guys deserve an upgrade here, and the value/quality is very much worth it.

  • Jesse
    Jesse – Grommet Team
    3/4/2011 3:34 PM

    I was lucky enough to be a tester for the TommyJohn's, and I'll be blunt: they feel better than any other t-shirt I've worn. We've featured a lot of women's wear lately that costs twice as much and wearing these undershirts gave me a new appreciation for what a difference something like this can make. It's like a favorite dress shirt or pair of pants, the ones you reach for when you want to feel your best. It may be a luxury at this price, but it's worth it.

  • Sue
    Sue
    3/4/2011 3:52 PM

    After reading Greymase's comment ... I admit I went back for another look !! Thanks for keeping it interesting, Daily Grommet!!

  • Dina
    Dina
    3/4/2011 3:55 PM

    When I realized the price of $36 is per shirt, I laughed out loud. Not a funny-hah-hah laugh, but a you-guys-are-crazy-hah-hah. I have ten year old regular cotton t-shirts that are just fine and they did not come close to this outrageous price. This is underwear, for pity sakes, and it's not even going to be comfortable, it's got synthetic threads in it, and you know how that stuff pearls up over time. You cannot create an analogy between an expensive brassiere and something simple like a t-shirt. I thought Grommets were supposed to be good deals for the customer; this is a great deal for Grommet and Tommy John, they're making out like bandits from the rubes who buy these things. It's also rather insulting to read "staff comments" defending this product, we all know it's way over priced. I would be suspicious of any comment here from a "customer" (wink wink, yeah, sure, it's not a plant, we believe you, she said sarcastically). When do you come out with the matching men's hankies for $25 a pop? Grommet has pulled some boners in the past but this one surely takes the cake—the very expensive, over-priced plain un-frosted cake where the baker makes 300% profit.

  • Katherine
    Katherine – Grommet Team
    3/4/2011 5:14 PM

    @Dina: You guys are tough on us today! We honestly want you to be tough on us and thoughtful about all of the purchases you make. We are a curated online marketplace. That means that we've tested and approved all the products that we present to you. We've gotten to know the story and people behind a product. We believe in these products and it shouldn't be a surprise that our testers have good things to say about the products we present. We wouldn't have shared them with you if our testers didn't give us the thumbs up to begin with. We are not a daily deal site. We believe that the products we present are worth their selling price. When a company sells through a daily deal site they are selling at a loss to gain awareness and acquire customers or liquidating excess inventory of their product. We have a different philosophy.

    We never plant customer reviews. We don't even take down critical comments, unless they are overly disrespectful in tone. We do take down advertising.

  • Dina
    Dina
    3/4/2011 4:24 PM

    * post edited to comply with our no outside advertising policy.

  • Mark
    Mark
    3/4/2011 5:20 PM

    I'm the Mark that told Jeanne "give me ten and I'll be all set." So in the interest of full disclosure, I guess this would be a staff comment once removed. To be honest, when I said give me ten, I had no idea how much they cost. But when I do buy t-shirts, that's how many I usually buy, because they don't last. They shrink to the point where they always un-tuck, and even those that have the "no-bacon" collar, actually get that bacon collar that looks lousy. I've had my first Tommy John t-shirt for awhile, and it is always the first I grab when clean, so I just bought more (not 10 - but I'll see how 5 works for now - expensive maybe - but worth it.) I didn't part with my hard earned $ because my wife works at Daily Grommet - I did it because they really are incredibly comfortable, stay that way all day, and my original looks the same today as the day I got it. I don't often comment on grommets, but couldn't help but throw my 2 cents in given that I've actually worn them. Just one "rube's" opinion Dina.

  • Desmond
    Desmond
    3/4/2011 7:09 PM

    Based on the incredibly positive comments by men who have worn this shirt, I have ordered one. I've got to try it myself to see why these guys love them. Even if I only have one, I'll use it for those important "dress up" times, whether important work-related meetings, or a special night out. And if they truly are amazing, I'll come back and buy some more. Or I'll put them on my "Fathers Day wish list."

  • Tom
    Tom – Special Guest
    3/4/2011 7:16 PM

    I wanted to thank Daily Grommet for featuring our products today and its community for all the feedback. As a young entrepreneur, it is very exciting to have your product to be featured in the format that they use.

    Regarding Dina's comment, there was timing out of our control and our Tan (Crew and VNeck) undershirts were featured on another site at a lower price. We regret that our Daily Grommet customers were not offered this same deal. To correct the situation, if you already purchased a tan shirt, we’ll be sending two and if you purchase a Tan (Crew or VNeck)we’ll ship a second one at no additional cost.

    At Tommy John we believe that men’s undergarments are ready for innovation. Just like most men have traded their walkman for an ipod, men’s underwear is innovating in similar ways from a fit, fabric, and functionality perspective. An undershirt doesn’t have to be ‘just be an undershirt’. Recent innovation in textiles can deliver better fit, comfort and performance, along with a put together and streamlined result. We have found that men love the technology and functionality of Tommy John, but often don’t realize the total value at first. They realize the value after they wear it, wash it, and see how it performs vs. there 2 packs and 3 packs.

    As a visitor to Daily Grommet you may not have the same appreciation as I do for what they are doing. As you can see by the discussion, it is very tough to launch a product when your competitors manufacture a basic staple by the billions. Daily Grommet saw that we 'little guys' needed a way to have our stories told and our products featured so that we had a fighting chance of making it. Their support of innovation and cultivating a like-minded community is wonderful and I want to thank them again for the opportunity to be featured today!

  • Joe
    Joe
    3/5/2011 4:32 PM

    Tom,

    I've struggled with undershirts just as you describe. I have bought regular cotton shirts a size too small so they would fit snug without bunching, but then they are too short, come untucked, and bind up at the arm holes. I have paid this much and more for high end undershirts, and even they yellow and the collar starts to sag a lot sooner than I expect. So I am ok with paying this kind of money for a good, comfortable, snug fitting shirt that will last. Please don't be put off by the negative comments; there are folks out there that will pay for comfort, quality, and durability!

    My question- I am a size 44 jacket, 16.5" neck and 36" waist. Should I buy L or XL? I want it to be snug but not tight. .

    Thanks!

  • Tom
    Tom – Special Guest
    3/5/2011 8:36 PM

    Joe- Thanks for the feedback. Tommy John was created to solve the exact problem you have struggled with. You will be a Large in Tommy John. It will be snug, but there is the perfect amount of stretch in our shirts so you will never feel tight or restricted when wearing them. Hope that helps.

    Best

    Tom

  • Joseph
    Joseph
    3/7/2011 12:23 PM

    @Tom Patterson: Thanks Tom! Just ordered 2 to try- one white, one black crew neck in size L. Will let you know what I think.

  • David
    David
    3/6/2011 12:35 PM

    I'm excited to try one (or two) of these undershirts. Maybe I'm a bit OCD, but I feel like I constantly need to tuck in my undershirt every time I stand up. It's super annoying. I'm wiling to spend the money because 1) it helps a small business, 2) I like to try new things and 3) if it's as awesome as I hope, then increased sales might lead to more competitive pricing in the future.

    To reviewers: reviews are much more helpful, and credible, if they are based on a product experience. I don't mind reading constructive opinions, but the sweeping judgments in some of these reviews discredit the reviewer more than the product or services provided by Daily Grommet. If one product evokes such strong and negative emotions, don't look at it our buy it! If you think there is a negative trend of Daily Grommet services, then send them a note. Otherwise, please help make Grommet's discussion boards one of the few places with balanced reviews, not a forum for unbridled rants.

  • Jules
    Jules – Grommet Team
    3/7/2011 10:38 AM

    @David: Thanks for the constructive discourse. You touch on the fact that Tom Patterson has innovated in a product segment in which just few big companies tightly control production and pricing. This is not a choice for the faint-hearted inventor and entrepreneur! By supporting Tommy John we can move away from buying "disposable" clothing, and also really have a better product.

  • Suzy
    Suzy
    3/7/2011 8:25 AM

    Where are Tommy John shirts manufactured?

  • Tom Patterson
    Tom Patterson
    3/7/2011 9:45 AM

    Everything is made in China and designed in the U.S.

  • Theresa
    Theresa
    3/7/2011 4:49 PM

    You know, Thomas Pink, the $150+ dress shirt maker, set up shop in Rockefeller Center and gave away hundreds of shirts just to prove that 'you get what pay for'... I'm just saying.. wink, wink.

  • Katherine
    Katherine – Grommet Team
    3/7/2011 7:39 PM

    @Theresa: Love it!

  • Nick
    Nick
    3/9/2011 1:32 PM

    When I saw this Grommet I did the same double take on the price. Quite frankly, for $36 a shirt they better do a whole lot more than just stay in place. But then I thought, if I'm the kind of person that buys $500 shirts, $1,000 slacks, and $800 shoes, then $36 for an undershirt is about right.

    But I'm not the kind of person that spends that much on clothes. I guess the average Grommet customer is, though? I don't begrudge Tom for the price of his shirts. He should sell them at a price point he is comfortable with.

    And I understand that high quality comes at a high price, which is why there is not a Rolls Royce parked in my drive. Sorry to say, but I have found over the past few weeks that the price of "uniqueness" (Grommet products) has been nearly consistently out of my price range. Today's (3/9/11) umbrella is another good example.

    So this is more of a commentary on Grommet products (or current direction) than it is Tom's shirts. I'm sure it's a fine shirt.

  • Katherine
    Katherine – Grommet Team
    3/9/2011 2:51 PM

    @Nick: Thanks for stopping by and taking the time to express your thoughts. Our best ideas for Grommets come from you. We would love it if you would help us find other truly great products from companies whose mission, practices or products are exemplary and you want to support. If the products are at lower pricepoints that's great too. Please submit your ideas by clicking the 'Suggest a Grommet' button above. We are on a mission to support companies worthy of support.

  • DJP
    DJP
    3/19/2011 9:26 PM

    OK, so my $36 t-shirt arrived and I wore it (under a dress shirt, of course) to a fancy cocktail party tonight. And I felt like a million dollars! This shirt is amazing! I'm going online right now and buying a second one. If I wore dress shirts more than once or twice a week, I'd buy even more. Well worth what I'd otherwise consider to be a crazy price. Thanks, Grommet.

  • Katherine
    Katherine – Grommet Team
    3/20/2011 12:53 AM

    @DJP: Thanks for stopping back to share your experience. We're glad it made you feel like a million bucks!

  • Joyce Keenan
    Joyce Keenan
    3/26/2011 7:40 PM

    I saw your spot on Fox Boston this week. I happen to be home sick and watched it. I am interested in the Tommy John tee for my husband, but like many of the others commenting the price seems steep especially if I don't know if it's going to fit or he will like it. He would take an XXL at the minimum, but I don't want to spend the money and it still be too small. He has the same issue as all men. Not long enough and too wide in the waist. I don't mind spending the money on something he likes and that fits correctly, but you can't go to the store and try on a t-shirt. He has a job that he needs to look professional, and he spends the money on quality clothes. So you see my problem. If he could try it on and like it then I would be willing to pay the price. It's a great idea and it seems that people who have tried it love it, but it's my husband that has to love it.

  • Katherine
    Katherine – Grommet Team
    3/28/2011 1:12 AM

    @Joyce Keenan: It is definitely a dilemma. If you decide to take a chance on it and it doesn't fit you can send it back for a refund. I hope it works for him, it sounds like he deserves an undershirt upgrade.

  • David
    David
    3/27/2011 12:02 PM

    I received the undershirts and determined that they are as good as advertised. I didn't even realize I had a t-shirt on. My dress shirts actually didn't wrinkle as much in the back as they do with regular cotton t-shirts when they bunch up. If you can afford them, they're worth every dime. Great product, Tom!

  • Katherine
    Katherine – Grommet Team
    3/28/2011 1:08 AM

    @David: Wonderful to hear that these worked well for you. Thanks for stopping back to share.

  • Joe
    Joe
    4/23/2011 8:00 AM

    Just a follow-up: I ordered two of these undershirts to try them about 2 months ago. So, I'm not one to rail on about clothes, but I absolutely love them. They really do feel great- they are form fitting but not restrictive at all. Just ordered 6 more- 3 white and 3 black. When they arrive, I am taking all of the cotton undershirts in my drawer and turning them into cleaning rags. I almost can't bear to put one on under a dress shirt or sweater any more. And so far, after many washings (because I want to wear them every day!) they look as great as they day they arrived.

    Yes, they are expensive- but in my eyes, you are paying a premium price for an extraordinary product. Well worth it. Thanks to Tommy John and Daily Grommet for introducing me to this shirt.

  • Katherine
    Katherine – Grommet Team
    4/23/2011 8:28 AM

    @Joe: Thank you for taking the time to stop back and let everyone know. We are really pleased that these have become your go-to undershirt.

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